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    Default Re: Symbian: Nokia N8 free RAM upon boot

    We should wait for the phone to be released before we make any final decisions........

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    Default Re: Symbian: Nokia N8 free RAM upon boot

    If S^3 is a memory hog then what does that make Android Froyo? A bigger hog?

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    Default Re: Symbian: Nokia N8 free RAM upon boot

    Quote Originally Posted by chanchan05
    If S^3 is a memory hog then what does that make Android Froyo? A bigger hog?
    Sure
    Am just pointing out that Symbian is stupidly trying to be high end

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    Default Re: Symbian: Nokia N8 free RAM upon boot

    Quote Originally Posted by shadowninty
    Sure
    Am just pointing out that Symbian is stupidly trying to be high end
    Isnt Meego the OS for the high end Nokia Phones?

    Here i found an informative post in engadget.

    http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/02/n...ents/29662247/

    shpe Posted Aug 3rd 2010 2:09AM
    RankedMeeGo is android from nokia right?



    incognito Posted Aug 3rd 2010 4:41AM


    @shpe, actually, I'd say that Android is a Linux-ish distro from Google in which Google took all the good parts of Linux - and thrown them away. What they were left with was a non-upstream crippled Linux kernel, no GNU utils and toolchains, and a Java-ish VM on top of it to mimic what's native on regular, close-to-hardware OSes.

    Now, there are reasons why Google have chosen this step - all you need to make Android available on some device is to port the slimmed-down kernel and the Dalvik VM and the rest (UI/UX, apps, etc.) will work with no porting whatsoever. However, having a several intermediary layers between the software and the hardware is a resource waster which is why you need at least a Snapdragon or the latest OMAP SoC to make it function at acceptable rate. Also, having everything virtualized means that you cannot easily take the full advantage of the provided hardware without modifying both the kernel (which is already hard to maintain since it diverged so much from the streamline and cannot easily take the advantages that the Linux community is providing every day) and the Dalvik VM for a specific hardware. And if you choose to go that route, you are diving into the waters of Android fragmentation which beats the intended purpose of the OS and the sacrifices made for its 'same on all devices' approach - if you will have fragmentation, why would you use a VM anyway? Granted, a couple of big fixes were added to the Android 2.x line that softens up the issue a bit, but still - virtualized environment will never beat native environment in performance/watt and app. performance/CPU&GPU ratios.

    MeeGo (as it's predecessors Maemo and Moblin) takes a whole different approach - they are providing a full GNU/Linux environment that can take advantages of the latest kernels and fixes in the Linux community, as well as the advantage of native HW access. Granted, it takes much more time to port it to a new platform, and there is an issue with applications written for one HW architecture that cannot be used on another (e.g. an app written for ARM Cortex A8 based device cannot run on a Moorestown based device without porting), but Nokia, much before the partnership with Intel, took the best possible approach to remedy that situation - they've bought Trolltech, and thus the Qt toolkit which enables you the best of both worlds - write once, deploy everywhere AND native, non-virtualized environment for your apps.

    If you really want to compare MeeGo to other OSes, you should compare it to a regular Linux distros as it's for the most part structured the same. MeeGo is much more like Ubuntu, Fedora Core, OpenSuSE, etc. than it is similar to Android. Android is a whole different kind of 'animal'.
    since S^3 is native then im more confident with memory handling of s^3 than android even though it only has 256 RAM.

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    Default Re: Symbian: Nokia N8 free RAM upon boot

    Quote Originally Posted by zymesh
    Isnt Meego the OS for the high end Nokia Phones?
    Yes
    But look at S^4 lol
    They are trying to make it high-end

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    Default Re: Symbian: Nokia N8 free RAM upon boot

    Quote Originally Posted by shadowninty
    Yes
    But look at S^4 lol
    They are trying to make it high-end
    ok what high end os should be? possibility to rewrite the kernel like linux? and how much will need it? 10 geeks of 1000 users? LOL
    symbian IS high end. unlike some other tryings to make decent os for smartphone, with so many locked up things that we hardly can say it's a smartphone.

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    Default Re: Symbian: Nokia N8 free RAM upon boot

    Quote Originally Posted by shadowninty
    Sure
    Am just pointing out that Symbian is stupidly trying to be high end
    Symbian^3 was never meant to be high end. Its only your illusion. Its only expensive now because it's new. Everything that's new is more expensive. Nokia made Symbian open-source so that i could be cheaper, so that they can make smartphones cheaper since the OS production is cheaper.

    They arent TRYING to make Symbian^4 high end. It's simply the culmination of the touch transition for Symbian. Symbian^3 is JUST a transition OS. It was never meant to be the Nokia Savior. Its just something to tide everybody else over for Nokia while they keep on working on MeeGo and Symbian^4.

    Furthermore, OS has nothing to do with High End or Low End. HTC Wildfire has Android 2.1 and its low to mid-range. High end is determined by hardware.

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    Default Re: Symbian: Nokia N8 free RAM upon boot

    Quote Originally Posted by chanchan05
    Symbian^3 was never meant to be high end. Its only your illusion. Its only expensive now because it's new. Everything that's new is more expensive. Nokia made Symbian open-source so that i could be cheaper, so that they can make smartphones cheaper since the OS production is cheaper.

    They arent TRYING to make Symbian^4 high end. It's simply the culmination of the touch transition for Symbian. Symbian^3 is JUST a transition OS. It was never meant to be the Nokia Savior. Its just something to tide everybody else over for Nokia while they keep on working on MeeGo and Symbian^4.

    Furthermore, OS has nothing to do with High End or Low End. HTC Wildfire has Android 2.1 and its low to mid-range. High end is determined by hardware.

    Yup, S^3 is only a transition OS, and that's why I've decided that the next phone I buy wil have to run either Meego or S^4

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    Default Re: Symbian: Nokia N8 free RAM upon boot

    Quote Originally Posted by chanchan05
    Symbian^3 was never meant to be high end. Its only your illusion. Its only expensive now because it's new. Everything that's new is more expensive. Nokia made Symbian open-source so that i could be cheaper, so that they can make smartphones cheaper since the OS production is cheaper.

    They arent TRYING to make Symbian^4 high end. It's simply the culmination of the touch transition for Symbian. Symbian^3 is JUST a transition OS. It was never meant to be the Nokia Savior. Its just something to tide everybody else over for Nokia while they keep on working on MeeGo and Symbian^4.

    Furthermore, OS has nothing to do with High End or Low End. HTC Wildfire has Android 2.1 and its low to mid-range. High end is determined by hardware.
    Think about it bro
    The reason Symbian was so successful is that it bridged the gap between smartphones and dumbphones
    To this day its still the most phone-centric "smart" OS

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    Default Re: Symbian: Nokia N8 free RAM upon boot

    Quote Originally Posted by shadowninty
    Think about it bro
    The reason Symbian was so successful is that it bridged the gap between smartphones and dumbphones
    To this day its still the most phone-centric "smart" OS
    Actually, Symbian was the first smartphone OS. Before Symbian, there was only PDAs and phones. Then Symbian came. Symbian did not bridge the gap between the smartphones and dumbphones, but rather IT WAS THE SMARTPHONE OS. It did not bridge any gap. It created the whole smartphone concept. And the gap aint gonna be bridged any time soon.

    Symbian may have not moved with the times (partly because Symbian as a company has been dead for the past two-three years and Nokia handles it now), but is only now catching up.





 
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