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    Default N97 or touch pro 2

    looking at both of these phones when released, use is mainly phone/text, internet,video(record and watch) etc etc, sat mav use if possible and with gps/maps

    want a nice big i phone like touch screen but with the good qwerty key board

    given i have never had a WM or symbian phone would like it too be hackable/ custom able to add third party apps and programs

    not sure what to look at when comparing the phones as im not up date date with latest specs on phones so any advice would be great based on what we know about these 2 phones so far

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    Default Re: N97 or touch pro 2

    The n97 seems best for you since you seem to want to back your phone. Also s60 has a greater third party app support. Even though windows is releasing it own appnstore Nokia is doing the same. The n97 is the best ( bar the n86) all in one package from Nokia. I personnally do not like HTC's but since you aren't accustomed to any of their operating systems it's best that you try them out before you decide to buy one of them. It depends on your preference.

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    Default Re: N97 or touch pro 2

    Quote Originally Posted by rwishi
    The n97 seems best for you since you seem to want to back your phone. Also s60 has a greater third party app support. Even though windows is releasing it own appnstore Nokia is doing the same. The n97 is the best ( bar the n86) all in one package from Nokia. I personnally do not like HTC's but since you aren't accustomed to any of their operating systems it's best that you try them out before you decide to buy one of them. It depends on your preference.
    Quote Originally Posted by rwishi
    The n97 seems best for you since you seem to want to back your phone. Also s60 has a greater third party app support. Even though windows is releasing it own appnstore Nokia is doing the same. The n97 is the best ( bar the n86) all in one package from Nokia. I personnally do not like HTC's but since you aren't accustomed to any of their operating systems it's best that you try them out before you decide to buy one of them. It depends on your preference.
    thanks for that, love the look of both phones,it would be the N97 all the way if it was not for the fact that the pro 2 has the better touch screen , its seems the closest to the i phones touch screen, i have a viewty at the mo and while i like it compared to the i phone the touch screen is pants

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    Default Re: N97 or touch pro 2

    just looking at the price of the N97 £690 on

    http://www.expansys.com/p.aspx?i=176946

    think that the contract prices for this phone phone will be mega given its double the price of the 5800 xpress

    no prices yet on the htc pro 2, but the touch diamound 2 is £399

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    Default Re: N97 or touch pro 2

    Quote Originally Posted by combat goofwing
    just looking at the price of the N97 £690 on

    http://www.expansys.com/p.aspx?i=176946

    think that the contract prices for this phone phone will be mega given its double the price of the 5800 xpress

    no prices yet on the htc pro 2, but the touch diamound 2 is £399
    The n97 is so highly prices at the moment because it hasn't yet been released. Wait toll ur releases to know it's real price.

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    Default Re: N97 or touch pro 2

    I think u should pick the htc touch pro to the screen resolution is much higher 480x800 the n97 is 480x800 also the touch pro 2 is more cuztomizable than the n97

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    Default Re: N97 or touch pro 2

    Quote Originally Posted by combat goofwing
    just looking at the price of the N97 £690 on

    http://www.expansys.com/p.aspx?i=176946

    think that the contract prices for this phone phone will be mega given its double the price of the 5800 xpress

    no prices yet on the htc pro 2, but the touch diamound 2 is £399
    I vote for the HTC PRO 2 is £514.99 Qualcomm® MSM7200A™, 528 MHz + The extra screen resolution 480 x 800 with 3.6 inches display size and with the future Opera 9.5 with integrated Flash and turbo by far these would be the best phone

    Nokia's N97 is £594.99  single ARM 11 processor running at 434 MHz display 360 x 640 with 3.5 inches display size

    HTC diamond 2 is £479.99

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    Default Re: N97 or touch pro 2

    Quote Originally Posted by solrac13
    I vote for the HTC PRO 2 is £514.99 Qualcomm® MSM7200A™, 528 MHz + The extra screen resolution 480 x 800 with 3.6 inches display size and with the future Opera 9.5 with integrated Flash and turbo by far these would be the best phone

    Nokia's N97 is £594.99 single ARM 11 processor running at 434 MHz display 360 x 640 with 3.5 inches display size

    HTC diamond 2 is £479.99
    Well the processor speed isn't everything :P

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    Default Re: N97 or touch pro 2

    Quote Originally Posted by rwishi
    Well the processor speed isn't everything :P
    Sure the cpu is not all, but is nice to have few MHZ that make some diference when open aplications look how slow nokia 5800 is.
    Even do that i prefaire the Nokia OS friendliness I want to give it a try HTC PRO 2 but I will make my last desition ones I have both units on my hand.

    What I like of te HTC PRO 2 is the key bord lighting up that really be an useful thing while typing on the dark. also love the screen resolution and the size.

    I dont like the camera 3.2 with no flash but can live with out it.

    The Omina HD looks nice wish i could have a video of it with the typing screen. but I dont like the price at all HK$6,830 even if at these point is not so far from Nokia n97 still is the must expensive of all

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    HTC Touch Pro2 review

    May 30, 2009


    * Zune HD announced by Microsoft

    The long awaited successor of the HTC Touch Pro has finally been released to the public. Only two days ago I received an email from Clove Technology informing me they had the HTC Touch Pro2 on stock, almost one month before it would be released in the Netherlands and the rest of Europe ! I ordered it straight away and had it delivered to me in one day thanks to FedEx Priority. I grabbed it from the FedEx delivery guy’s hands (sorry about that!) and started unwrapping. It is always a lot of fun unpacking a brand new device which you have only seen on pictures. What will it look like, how will it feel? Is it big, is it heavy? I am going to answer all these questions in this review. So, let’s get started!

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    First impression

    First impressions are crucial they say, which is more than true in this case. The Pro2 is a bit bigger than the old Pro and also a bit heavier. Whereas I found the Pro sometimes a bit too small, the Pro2 lives up to my expectations. I think size and weight of the device are just right. I also like the grey/silver color and the chrome outline of the screen gives the device a very stylish and distinctive look. It reminds me a bit of the HTC Universal, which had the most excellent keyboard. The keyboard on the Pro2 is good, but not as good as the keyboard on the Universal. However there are more similarities with other HTC devices. Again, it has a tilt screen option, just like the TyTn II. I loved that feature and was very disappointed it had not been incorporated in the Touch Pro. But now it is back again ! The Pro2 also features the extra numeric row on the keyboard, just like the old Pro, something I can’t do without. It enables you to type without having to use the FN key for every number you type.

    But there is more. The Pro2 also features a hardware zoombar to use in applications and use for instance while taking a picture. You can use the zoombar to zoom in: very nice ! One of the other hot new features is Straight Talk.

    Straight Talk integrates messaging, voice, and conference calling, allowing you to seamlessly transition from a message to a single call or multi-party conference call. With dual microphone and speaker that enhance voice quality and reduce noise, Straight Talk turns your device into a conference room speakerphone system.

    This all comes together on a large 3,6 inch WVGA screen with a resolution of 480×800 pixels which also features a Proximity sensor. The old Pro featured a light sensor which would switch off the screen when making a call. Often times the device would have to be switched on again in order to get the display back. The sensor on the Pro2 is now similar to the one used on the iPhone. If you hold it to your ear the display switches off: if you move it, it is back on. Very nice feature I must say. The last sensor this device features is the G-sensor, which automatically turns to landscape mode when you turn it over.

    First impressions are very positive. Now let’s take a look at the specs.

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    Specifications

    * Operating System: Windows Mobile® 6.1 Professional
    * Processor: Qualcomm® MSM7201a™, 528 MHz
    * Memory: ROM: 512 MB RAM: 288 MB microSD™ memory card (SD 2.0 compatible)
    * Dimensions: (LxWxT) 116 X 59.2 X 17.25 mm (4.57 X 2.33 X 0.68 inches)
    * Weight: 187.5 grams (6.61 ounces) with battery
    * Display: 3.6-inch TFT-LCD touch-sensitive screen with WVGA resolution Adjustable tilt screen
    * Network: HSDPA/WCDMA: Europe/Asia: 900/2100 MHz Up to 2 Mbps up-link and 7.2 Mbps down-link speeds Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
    * Device Control: TouchFLO™ 3D; Zoom bar
    * Keyboard: Slide-out 5-row QWERTY keyboard
    * GPS: Internal GPS antenna
    * Connectivity: Bluetooth® 2.0 with Enhanced Data Rate and A2DP for wireless stereo headsets Wi-Fi®: IEEE 802.11 b/g HTC ExtUSB™ (11-pin mini-USB 2.0, audio jack, and TV Out* in one)
    * Camera: Main camera: 3.2 megapixel color camera with auto focus Second camera: VGA CMOS color camera
    * Battery: Rechargeable Lithium-ion battery Capacity: 1500 mAh
    * Talk time: Up to 270 minutes for WCDMA; Up to 419 minutes for GSM
    * Standby time: Up to 454 hours for WCDMA; Up to 348 hours for GSM Video call time: up to 150 minutes (Subject to network and phone usage)
    * Special Features: Proximity Sensor, G-Sensor, auto speakerphone on when facing down the device

    These specifications are quite impressive I must say. Almost forgot: What’s in the box ?
    In the box

    In the box you’ll find the Touch Pro2 and a battery of 1500 mAh. A spare stylus is also included in case you lose the original one. There’s also a power adapter. Each power adapter is specific to the country you ordered it from. Mine therefore came with a (pretty useless) UK power adapter. Have to see if you can buy this EU part somewhere online. Also in the box is an (imitation) leather carrying pouch to protect your precious device. Another item is the USB headset. You can use it to listen to music as well as answering your incoming calls with a push on a button. A USB cable comes standard with every device these days and the usual amount of CD’s with manuals, quick start guides and Activesync installation files is also there. Finally there’s a warranty guide which hopefully you’ll never need and a screen protector.

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    Now let’s have a look at the device itself:
    Design

    Please note that I am using some of the press pictures made by HTC. I took some pictures myself but they were nowhere near as good as these and I was in a hurry to write this review. The picture below gives me a lot to talk about.

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    The front of the Touch Pro2 shows four buttons. Below on the left you’ll find the Answer button, which obviously answers your incoming call. Next there is a Windows button, which allows you to access your programs the same familiar way as on your desktop. The Pro2 is the third HTC device with a Windows button (just like the TyTn II and Diamond 2). Next to the Windows button, you’ll see an arrow pointing left. This button sends you back to the home button on TouchFlow. When inside a submenu, it functions like the backspace key: it returns you to the previous menu. The fourth key on the right ends your incoming call and double functions as a Home key.

    The left side merely shows two buttons: volume up and volume down. One thing I really miss here is the jog dial. I enjoyed it very much on the TyTn II and wish it would have been incorporated on the Touch Pro2 as well.
    On top there is one button: On/Off. Pretty straight forward I would say. To switch off, press and hold for approximately 3 seconds. The right side does not show any buttons at all: it houses the stylus and on top there is a microphone entrance.

    At the bottom you’ll find the USB connector which also serves as an earphone Jack and a TV-Out (cable not included). HTC calls this the ExtUSB (TM) port. The second microphone for Straight Talk is here as well.

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    At the back of the device there is a camera lens and a mute button for Straight Talk. More about Straight Talk in the next chapter.

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    Straight Talk

    Straight Talk is one of HTC’s brand new features.

    Straight Talk integrates messaging, voice, and conference calling, allowing you to seamlessly transition from a message to a single call or multi-party conference call. With dual microphone and speaker that enhance voice quality and reduce noise, Straight Talk turns your device into a conference room speakerphone system.

    For this feature HTC has completely redesigned the back of the Touch Pro2. The back now has a double speaker and a microphones allowing all participants to be heard crystal clear. It uses the microphone on the side as well as the one at the bottom.
    The concept is very easy: Straight Talk allows you to add several people together in one conference call.
    First you select the participants. This is easily done by opening the phone screen and pressing the button next to Talk, which will enable the Conference option.

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    Now select all participants and press Conference when you’re done.

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    The conference screen will now be opened and each of the participants can be dialed. Now slide open the hardware keyboard, displaying the Conference Room screen. This is an intuitive interface which will make it much easier to set up conference calls. Simply tap photos or buttons on the screen to dial participants, joining them to your conference call and more.

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    Tap the first participant’s picture and right after he/she has answered, tap the second picture. The first participant will be put on hold. As soon as the second participant has answered, press Join to connect the calls and dial the next participant if needed.

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    Now all participants are connected and your conference call is in progress. When you’re done press End Call to stop the conference call.

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    HTC TouchFLO 3D on the HTC Touch Pro2

    “Leveraging HTC’s TouchFLO 3D, people-centric communication and Push Internet technology, the Touch Pro2 features a high-resolution 3.6-inch widescreen VGA display for an expanded viewing area and large finger-friendly QWERTY keyboard. “

    The following section will describe the continuous development of TouchFLO 3D, and focus on the people-centric communications as stated in the press release. HTC TouchFLO 3D now consists of 11 tabs. A few of the new tabs have undergone some improvements, others were added. A few examples are:
    People

    The people-tab has undergone some drastic changes. In the TouchFLO 3D version on the first Touch Diamond and Touch Pro, a short-list with your main contacts could be added. If you wished to communicate with a particular person, you simply clicked their name which would open the contact card, etc.

    With the people-centric communication HTC has made some clever improvements, linking contact data (mobile phone, work phone, home phone, sms, e-mail) directly under the picture of the particular contact. This development has a few advantages:

    * It takes fewer clicks to access the contact card and select the data from there. Now it’s just a matter of hitting the right communication button and Bob’s your uncle.
    * It gives you all communication options, linked to that specific person. You don’t have to open the dialer nor Pocket Outlook.

    This approach makes communication really simple and is probably one of the biggest improvements in TouchFLO 3D.

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    Internet

    The internet-tab has also changed quite drastically. It now gives you more functionality in one overview. On top there is a search box to insert your search-parameters. Clicking it will automatically open Google-search in the Opera Mobile web browser. The second and largest section is the open browser field, followed by a YouTube field. Clicking the latter will open a “custom” YouTube client / viewer.

    Further down the bottom there are four fields saying “Add Push page”. The push-internet technology is meant to automatically download the content of your favorite websites in given intervals. This means there’s no need to open your web browser and re-type the URL. The website will refresh automatically, in a way similar to synchronizing your e-mail account over IMAP.

    This feature is very helpful if you regularly check a website on the go. You could for instance program a website that shows traffic jams in your local region. Simply give in the URL, a name for the website, and the update frequency. Its contents will now be kept up to date automatically.

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    Calender

    The calendar-tab gives you the overview of the current month whereas with the left soft-key you can switch to a daily overview. I personally think this is really helpful, for you often need to quickly access your calendar program to make an appointment. This is now possible straight from TouchFLO 3D without first having to enter the start menu. With the right softkey you can add a new appointment.

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    Summarizing:

    TouchFLO 3D has matured and has evolved into something more than just an easy user interface. Especially if you note that HTC has also changed the layout of the notifications and menus to make them more finger-friendly. Main reason for this conclusion would be that TouchFLO 3D allows you to use the most important features, without having to use the start menu or even deeper layers in TouchFLO.

    One of the best features of the HTC Touch Pro2 is the people-centric design for optimal communication. In my point of view it is a really clever integration and/or connection of the different databases for each type of communication. However the strongest feature is in the way people are linked to their contact details.
    With this improvement you can speed up communication and minimize your search-time, which is extremely helpful for business people on the go. Note also the fact that in the e-mail of a contact there is a call-button in the header. This will enable you to directly call the person who e-mailed you.

    Everybody loves TouchFlo 3D and now you are going to love it even more. The TouchFLO 3D interface now remains unchanged, regardless of your mode of operation. Whether it be landscape or portrait mode, all functionality remains available at the tip of your fingers.

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    Overall there is one single conclusion. HTC is continuously developing and improving TouchFLO. There truly is a world of difference between the first incarnation of TouchFLO 3D and the current version. The current version truly makes everyday life easy, resulting in very efficient use of this type of work tool. TouchFLO 3D has become more than just a user-interface. In now is a complete set of applications on top of Windows Mobile that help you to effectively manage the information on your device.


    Zoombar

    The Zoombar at the bottom of the screen is a relative new feature. Although not functional yet within every single application, there are quite a few applications that already make use of it. The browser for example. On any given website, simply sliding your finger from left to right zooms in the page. Repeating this gesture zooms in even more. To zoom out simply slide your finger in the opposite direction, from right to left. The zoombar can also be used in the camera application. In the camera application the zoombar will function as a digital zoom for the pictures you take.

    In addition to that the Zoombar also is functional within Pocket Outlook or Word documents. In a similar manner sliding your finger from left to right increases the text size, sliding from right to left to decreases the text size.

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    Haptic feedback, Proximity Sensor and G-Sensor

    The Touch Pro2 also features haptic feedback. This means that the device gives you tactile feedback when you press the screen within TouchFlo 3D. With every screentap you will feel a little vibration that confirms that you have touched the screen. It is enabled by default and cannot be turned off. A very nice feature I must say.

    The next thing I would like to mention is the Proximity Sensor. An extremely cool and useful feature of the Touch Pro 2. It senses whether the device is being held next to your ear. Once the device is raised up to your ear, the Proximity sensor immediately turns off the screen in order to save battery life. Moving the device away from your ear turns the screen turns on again. PDA screens by nature are one of the biggest battery drains, especially when a screen is as large and bright as this one.

    The Touch Pro2 also has a G-Sensor built-in. We have seen this feature before in other devices such as the Touch Pro and Diamond / Diamond 2. The G-sensor automatically turns the screen to landscape when you turn the device over.

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    Overall conclusion and wrap-up

    With such a great and feature-rich device like the HTC Touch Pro2, it is hard to summarize an overall conclusion about the device. As I previously mentioned it combines great features of different HTC devices (HTC Universal, HTC TyTn II) into a nice form factor. The Pro2 actually even is a little bit smaller than HTC Touch HD. Overall the design is very modern and clean, with a nice business finish to it.

    Hardware wise it truly is a tremendous powerhouse. The HTC Touc Pro2 is quite the responsive device. The tilt mechanism is great and the slide-out QWERTY keyboard makes it a great messenger. The large 3.6″ WVGA screen, the good camera and the 1500 mAh battery make it fun to use. Not to mention the great straight talk “design” and the built-in sensors (Proximity & G-Sensor).

    Software wise only have one conlusion. This version of TouchFLO 3D is by far the best yet, and works identically both in portrait and landscape mode. The people-centric communication approach in HTC TouchFLO 3D makes life so much easier. Add the graphical changes on the start menu, the notifications, and the menus on the softkey that have significantly improved. All of this shows that HTC is continuously working on improving the user-interface in front of the different facets of the Windows Mobile OS.

    A good device is a combination of great hardware and stable, fast and easy to use software. With the introduction of the HTC Touch Pro2, HTC has brought a killer-device to the market. This device definitely will be loved by a large number of people, simply because the hardware and software are so well balanced and the fact that that a ton of features are packed with it.

    Underneath you will find a few lists describing my likes and dislikes about the device. While they represent my personal opinion about the Touch Pro2, they could be used as a starting point for a discussion. On a side note, I need to emphasize the fact that I have only used the Touch Pro2 for a few days now. While this review does highlight the most important features and aspects, you might want to keep visiting mobilityminded.com for follow-up articles about this device.

    Editorial note (Willem Ditters): Close observation of the back of the Thouch Pro2 reveals a very nifty little detail. If you look closely you will note the edges of an immensely thin transparent layer that spreads over the entire battery cover. The best area to see this is around the volume buttons. If you look really closely you will see these same edges around the stylus and microphone cutouts as well. Nice detail indeed. For me this means I can lower some of my caution when lying the device down on a desk somewhere.
    What I like about the HTC Touch Pro2 ?

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    Straight Talk
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    Straight Talk (yes, that is two times)
    * Great design with chrome finish
    * Large 3,6″ WVGA screen
    * Newest TouchFlo 3D version

    What I like a little less about the HTC Touch Pro2 ?

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    Biggest disavantage: No 3.5mm headphone jack. It finally appeared on the Touch HD, why dropping it now?
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    Limited number of hardware buttons; I use those to control the softbuttons so I miss these.
    * It tilts a bit easier than the TyTn II. On a flat surface it is not as stable as the TyTn II either.
    * Where is the D-Pad ?
    * Although it is quite common now, I would love to see a camera hardware button.
    * Laying the device face-down on a table for the purpose of a conference call increases the risk of screen damage. Therefore, a screen protector is an absolut must. Regrettably the screen protector that comes with the device only is of an average quality.
    * Where is the FM radio? All pre-release versions had it, the HTC website listed it … Now that the device is out, the software has gone and the HTC website has been updated by taking out the FM radio from the specifications list.

    http://www.mobilityminded.com/1458/h...h-pro-2-review


 

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